Nikon F3 vs. F4 (2024)

Nikon F3 vs. F4 (1)

Nikon F3 vs. F4 (2)

Updated May 20, 2021

$250 - $350 USD. That's what it takes to have one of these beauties for your own nowadays (2020). For those of us who couldn't afford to own a pro-level camera back when the F3 & F4 were current, now is a golden opportunity to obtain a little slice of photographic history that is as usable as ever. If you have ever picked up one after holding a consumer-level body, there is simply no comparison (Yeah, they arethat solid & heavy! Especially the F4! :-)). Even with F3 values rising again (and at a faster rate than the F4's), it still comes down to the attributes most important to you, the individual photographer, when making a choice between the two (if you can't have both, that is ;-)). It is the objective of this article to clearly delineate the differences between the F3 and F4 that could influence your decision-making process. So here we go...

What Are Your Priorities? (Besides Aperture)

Eightyears separated the introductions of theF3(1980) and theF4(1988). In that interval, there were some tremendous changes in 35mm SLR technology. The introduction of practical AF (Auto Focus) systems is probably the most notable, but advances were also made in shutter design, metering, flash capability and control, miniaturization, and internalization of previously external add-ons for Nikon's professional line. We will try and consider these in order of the greatest difference between the two cameras.

Auto Focus- The short answer:F4

More in-depth: One cannot expect modern-day auto focus performance out of a nearly 30 year-old camera, but the F4 can hold its own with its single, central AF sensor if its limitations are respected (i.e. subject tracking for fast-moving subjects is definitely not its strong point and neither is low light). And it can use almost any AF-Nikkor lens ever made, excluding the newest "E" and AF-P types. Incidentally, there was an F3AF model released in 1983, really as a working prototype (using a more primitive version of the phase-detection AF of the F4). It featured a special AF Finder with only 92% coverage as opposed to the regular F3's 100%. It was released with 2 AF Nikkor lenses: an 80mm f/2.8 and a 200mm f/3.5 ED-IF (extra-low dispersion glass w/ internal focusing). Interestingly, these lenses had the focusing motors built-in (presaging the later AF-S lenses) rather than the motor-in-body configuration of the F4. F3AFs are more of a collectible and are priced accordingly, averaging from $550 - $650 USD with the 80mm f/2.8. You can fit them with the other manual focus finders and they will work just fine, but are not as much of a bargain as a manual focus F3.

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Film Advance & Rewind- The (qualified) short answer:F3

More in-depth: If you must havemanualadvance (by the way, the F3 has a smooth andpositive advance mechanism) then it's the F3, obviously :-). Or if you want the ability to have

bothmanual and powered winding, again, the F3,with its dedicated,removable, exterior motor drive, the MD-4, is your pick. MD-4s run from $30 - $100 USD separately, but you can often buy them together with a body for not much more than body-only. The F3 was the last of the F-series to have an attachableexternaldrive; the F4 pioneeredinternalmotor drive for Nikon's professional cameras. If powered winding is important to to you, it is noteworthy that the F4 does give you three options for continuous advance: High, Low, and Silent (which pulses the motor but isnottruly silent), whereas the F3 has only one continuous setting. Where things become more complex is choosing between the MD-4 driven F3 and the various battery pack options for the F4 performance-wise. So let's try and simplify things as much as possible. Please note: "fps" stands for frames per second and 'MLU' stands for Mirror Lock-Up.

F3 w/ MD-4 Specifications:

  • Weight - 1364 grams (48 oz.) with 8 AA alkaline batteries; 1430g w/ MN-2 Ni-Cad
  • Performance - Up to 140 36-exp. rolls @3.8 fps maximum (4 fps w/ MLU)
  • The MN-2 Ni-Cad batterypack gives up to 70rolls @ 5.5 fps max. (6 fps w/ MLU), but is very hard to find, so it is not apractical option. You would be better off loading modern NiMH AAs in the standard battery tray.

F4 Specifications:

  • Weight:F4 (MB-20 Battery Pack w/4AA capacity) 1180 grams (42 oz.)
  • Weight:F4s (MB-21 Battery Pack w/ 6AA capacity) 1420 grams (50 oz.)
  • Weight:F4e (MB-23 Battery Pack w/ 6AA capacity or MN-20 Ni-Cad 7.2V Battery Pack) 1560 grams (55 oz.)
  • Performance: MB-20 - Up to 30 36-exp. rolls. Continuous High: 4 fps; Continuous Low: 3.3 fps in AF &2.2 fps in MF (manual focus). Alkaline or Lithium AA batteries only.
  • Performance: MB-21/-23 w/ AA alkalines- Up to 90 36-exp. rolls.Continuous High: 5.7 fps; Continuous Low: 3.4 fps in AF &2.9 fps in MF.*Note*These two grips offer a vertical shutter release button.
  • Performance: MB-21 w/ AA Ni-cad orNiMH - Up to 70 36-exp. rolls @ 5.7/3.4/2.9 fps as above.
  • Performance MB-23 w/ MN-20 Ni-Cad Battery Pack - Up to 150 36-exp. rolls at the above speeds for MB-21. A similar argumentcan be made about the practicality of the MN-20as the MN-2 for the F3 above. Although it is more readily available, even as NOS (new old stock), the weight and price penalty is quite high. Nevertheless, the option is there for those who want it :-). A far better option is to load the standard tray with regular AA NiMH batteries and get the the same or better performance.

Whew! That's quite a bit to chew on. Here are a few things to consider:1)The F4 definitely consumes more juice, which really shouldn't be a surprise as it has to power 7 CPUs and 4 coreless motors for winding, rewinding, auto focusing, and the shutter as opposed to the MD-4's single motor for winding and rewinding and the much simpler circuits in the F3 body. If you are using manual focus lenses on the F4, you can stretch consumption considerably, as the AF motor does draw a considerable amount of power, especially with larger lenses. The F4 also consumes less power in the Single or Continuous-Low advance modes.2)When it comes to reducing the two models to their most basic configurations: the bare F3 (w/ DE-2 non-HP finder and sans MD-4) and the plain F4 (w/ MB-20 grip) there is a480 gram(16+ oz.)differencein the F3's favor. That is a major consideration if you are looking to strip weight down in your camera bag or around your neck. Also, the F3 is very miserly with its consumption of the two SR-44/S-76/357 button cells it uses for power without the MD-4 attached. They can last for years. Carrying a couple of spares is not going to break your back...or wallet, either :-).3)The F3's manual advance will always be quieter than any powered advance on either camera, if your shooting style requires it. The F4 gives you different power options, but only the F3 gives you the versatility of powered winding/rewinding or none at all.4)The only real advantage for the F4, if youmusthave powered-advance, is that the MB-20-equipped plain F4 saves 180 grams (6 oz.) over an MD-4-fitted F3.

As far as rewind goes, it's a wash. Both offer manual and powered rewind (obviously the MD-4 must be mounted on the F3 for powered rewind ;-)). The only issue with both manual and powered rewind on the F3 is that with a flash mounted, the rewind knob/film door latch cannot be accessed, so the flash has to be removed for rewinding and loading/unloading film. No such issues with the F4.


Shutters & Shooting Modes- The short answer: F4

More in-depth: The F3 was the pinnacle of the horizontal-travel shutter configuration, which had reached its technological limits. It was the 3rd and final generation of Nikon's legendary titanium-shuttered F-series cameras. It was the most accurate version too, being electronically-controlled from its slowest speed of 8 seconds to its highest of 1/2000 second and is super reliable with a mechanical backup speed of 1/60 second. The F4, on the other hand, brought the first vertical-travel shutter with 1/8000 sec. top speed to professional SLRs. It offers speeds from 30 - 1/8000 sec. in both aperture-priority and program modes, and 4 - 1/8000 sec. in shutter-priority and manual modes. So there is a two-stop advantage at the top and bottom ends for the F4. It also bests the F3's top flash sync speed of 1/80 sec. by 1 and 2/3-stops with its 1/250 sec. sync speed. We will get in to flash capabilities more in the next section. Again, you need to determine which camera best suits your style and technical demands. The F4 has Program, Program High, Shutter-priority (these 3 are only usable with CPU-equipped lenses, either AF or chipped MF), Aperture-priority, and Manual modes.The F3 has two: Aperture-priority and Manual. Both shutters were top-of-the-line in their respective genres and were rated for 150,000 exposures. They also both feature a Time (T) setting that is very useful for long-exposure photography without draining batteries or needing a cable release (on the F3, you must use the backup mechanical release lever to activate the shutter when using T, otherwise the meter will be active and battery drain will result). One thing to watch for with the F3 is for vertical cracks to appear at the edges of the shutter curtains on well-worn cameras. The action of a horizontal roll-shutter eventually causes the titanium curtains to fatigue at their edges. If you get a gently-used copy, you will very likely never wear them out. It is worth a few extra dollars up front and they are not hard to find at that $350 mark.

Flash Capabilities - The short answer: F4

More in-depth: If flash plays an important role in your photography, you seriously need to consider the F4. It's not just about the sync speed advantage. The convenience and capability of the F4, and its compatible flash units, over the F3 is staggering. From the original F to the F3 (with the exception of the limited production F3P (Press) and the F3 Limited) Nikon's finder latch design was not strong enough to support a flash unit on the top of the prism housing if roughly handled (which pros never do ;-)). This led to the compromise of making the flash mount concentric to the rewind knob, which means on the F3 with a flash mounted, you cannot rewind, load/unload film, or adjust film speed. Performing exposure compensation is not possible, either. It is a major inconvenience if you use camera mounted flash regularly, but not such a big deal for off-camera flash rigs. Another issue with the F3 and flash is its TTL-compatibility with later flash units. The F4 has no problem working with newer flash units up to the SB-600 (2004). For the F3, the AS-17 adapter is needed to not only provide the ISO mount but also proper TTL (through-the-lens) flash metering capability with third generation and newer ISO-mount flash units (SB-15 to the SB-600). And the AS-17 is not cheap at $50 - 100 USD, and you are still left with the convenience problems of the flash mount. On the F4 they were able to relocate the flash mount to on top of the finder housing because Nikon adopted a much stronger slide-in rail mount for the finder instead of the old drop-in clip latching system of the previous F models. Aside from the matter of inconvenience, the location of the F3's flash coupling also presents a greater chance of rendering the body inoperable if a mounted flash happens to sustain a strong-enough impact to crack the FRE resistor located directly below the coupling under the top plate. Taken together, the F3 and flash is a non-starter for me, personally.

Nikon F3 vs. F4 (9)DP-20 Finder w/ 3-Mode Selector

Metering - The short answer: Do you want simple (F4) or simpler (F3)?

More in depth: The F4 offers 3 metering modes: 1) matrix (5-segments), 2) traditional Nikon center-weighted (60% concentrated in the 12mm dia. circle in the viewfinder w/ the remaining 40% over the rest of the screen), and 3) spot (100% concentrated in the 5mm circle in the center of the viewfinder). All three modes are available when using the standard DP-20 Finder; (2) & (3) are available with the DA-20 Action Finder; and (3) is the only option for the DW-20 Waist Level Finder & DW-21 6x High-Magnification Finder. The F3 has one metering pattern: 80/20 centerweighted. That's all, no gimmicks, just 80% of the sensitivity concentrated in the 12mm circle in the viewfinder with the remaining 20% rapidly falling off before it reaches the edge of the screen. And it is usable with all 8 finders for the F3. It is not your average centerweighted meter, nor is it a true spotmeter. So it takes a little adjustment, but if you play around with it a bit to get to know its tendencies you'll find it very consistent and simple to use and compensate for. The F3 meter slots quite neatly in between options (2) & (3) on the F4. It will be fooled less often than the 60/40 pattern in the F4, so it may be the best of both worlds. If you plan to use a variety of finders, you may also find the F3's 80/20 less finicky than the F4's spot setting.Once you are familiar with either one, the results will be there. Speaking of finders, let's compare them now.

Nikon F3 vs. F4 (10)Standard Finders for F3 (DE-2) & F4 (DP-20)

Finders - The short answer: We'll just go straight to details :-)

In-depth: The F3 was eventually available with 8 finders: DE-2 Eye-Level (original w/ about 20mm eye relief); DE-3 High Eye Point (25mm eye-relief & most common); DE-4 (titanium version of the DE-3, only with titanium F3/T bodies); DE-5 w/ non-TTL ISO hot shoe, only with F3P (Press) bodies; DA-2 Action (double the heightof the DE-3with 65mm of eye-relief); DW-3 Waist Level; DW-4 6x Magnification; and finally the DX-1 (Auto Focus, only available with the F3AF body w/ focusing screen built-in). When originally released in 1980 the F3's DE-2 finder sported the same specifications as the previous F-series standard finders: 0.8x magnification with 100% coverage. In March of 1982, the DE-3 was released, and soon became the most popular finder for the F3. In exchange for longer eye relief, particularly beneficial for eye-glass wearers, the magnification dropped to 0.75x and bulk increased a bit and weight also did by 60 grams (1.5 oz.). The F3HP was so successful for Nikon that when they developed the F4, the standard DP-20 finder was a high eyepoint design with 22mm of eye relief and 0.7x magnification. The F4's lineup was rounded out with updated Action (DA-20), Waist Level (DW-20), and 6x High magnification (DW-21) finders. DE-2 fitted F3s are the best bargains if you don't need the extra eye-relief of the DE-3.

​ Aside from the mounting system differences talked about earlier, the biggest difference between the two systems are the viewfinder displays. The F3 is, unsurprisingly, more spartan in appearance, with only an ADR (aperture direct readout) window and a small LCD that displays shutter speed and +/- over & under exposure symbols in the top left corner of the viewfinder. If you like a simple, uncluttered viewfinder, the F3 is definitely the ticket. The F4 packs a lot more information in there. On the top left of the ADR window is exposure compensation value and the frame counter. To the right are the focus indicators for the electronic rangefinder and auto focus. On the far right are a red exposure compensation warning lamp and flash ready signal. Across the bottom from left to right are: metering mode, shutter speed, AE lock indicator, and electronic analog display for Manual mode from +2 to -2 EV in 1/3 -steps. So it comes down to how much information you want in the viewfinder. The one area that the F4 clearly outstrips the F3 viewfinder is in illumination: there is a convenient lever under the shutter speed dial that activates nice even green illumination behind the LCD & ADR displays; on the F3 there is a fiddly little red button wedged on the side of the finder that is very difficult to activate and the illumination is rather pathetic. Something to bear in mind if you do a lot of low-light photography.

One thing that applies to both cameras that you want to carefully check out is the condition of the LCD displays. Nikon's original estimate of a 6 to 7 year lifespan for these LCDs was, fortunately, very conservative. Nevertheless, there are issues to be aware of: LCD bleed (patches of black that prevent the readout from being seen), and fading (self-explanatory ;-)). Fortunately, a toasted LCD will not render either camera inoperable, but be aware that this problem can appear at anytime. With the F4, if the bottom (as you look through the viewfinder) LCD goes, it can be remedied by replacing the finder and you can still find DP-20s for half-decent prices at this point. For the top LCDs in both models, no such joy, as Nikon no longer supports service for the body-mounted LCD panels. You are left with cannibalizing parts from another body.

ManualFocusing - The short answer: Six of one, a half-dozen of the other

In-depth: Both cameras have a wide variety of interchangeable focusing screens for virtually any application. In 1985, Nikon introduced their Brite View screen technology (with the F-301/N2000 SLR) to make focusing easier with the smaller-apertured (f/3.5 - 4 and up) zooms that were replacing primes as standard lenses.All F4 screens are of the Brite View type. Brite View improved the diffusion of light passing through the screen, brightening the overall view (thus the name ;-)) compared with previous versions, but specifically lessening blackout of the split-image rangefinder (when included with a particular screen), with no blackout up to f/4.5 (most older split-image rangefinders started blacking out above f/2.8) and remaining usable up to f/8. The older screens used a finer-grain matte field, which made for a darker viewfinder but easier focusing (for many, but not all, people) with apertures wider than f/2.8. Your eyesight will have an impact on which type of screens you prefer; some people find the darker but more grainy screens easier to use, while for others a brighter view helps them more. F3 screens did not come with Brite View, but they did become somewhat brighter with the introduction of the "Red Dot" series (a red dot was added to at the far right of the engraving specifying the type of screen on the side of the frame). Your lens choices (faster primes vs. zooms with apertures f/3.5 and higher) will impact which focusing screens you choose to use with an F3. The F3 had 5 options with split-image rangefinders(one of which, the "R" screen, was designed to offer easier focusing with f/3.5-and-darker lenses)to the F4's two (AF was having an impact here) . Also, the F3 features a series of 4 H-type screens that have 100% microprism coverage and must be matched to particular focal length lenses for very low-light work. These screens were not carried over for the F4. F3 and F4 screens are not interchangeable, although they can be physically installed in either body. Doing so will result in focus errors. Costs for the more common replacement screens are creeping up for the F3 while F4 screens are a bit less, but with some of the rarer screens for either camera getting very pricey.

Lens Compatibility - The short answer: F4

More in-depth: The F4 has the greatest level of F-mount lens compatibility of any Nikon body, ever, full stop. Turn out the lights when you leave ;-). Ok, but that doesn't mean you'll be scrounging for glass for an F3, which can use pretty much any F-mount Nikkor with an aperture ring, although mounting an AF lens on one probably throws the universe out of whack :-). There are 8 specific MF Nikkor lenses that cannot be used on an F4: all 8mm f/8; 16mm f/3.5 (Serial#s 272281-290000); 28mm f/3.5 (625611-999999; 35mm f/1.4 (385001-400000); all 55mm f/1.2; all old-type reflex 1000mm f/6.3; all 21mm f/4; all old-type PC 35mm f/3.5. Also, the AF teleconverter TC-16 for the F3AF cannot be mounted on an F4. The new E-type AF Nikkors are not usable on either camera, and G-type (no aperture ring) AF Nikkors can only be used in Shutter-priority or Program on the F4. Both models have the flip-up AI (Automatic Aperture Indexing) tab, allowing the use of non-AI (Pre-1977) Nikkors with stop-down metering. ***NOTE*** S-mount (rangefinder) Nikkors are not compatible with F-mount SLRs and will not mount without at least jamming and possibly damaging an F-mount camera.

Ergonomics - The short answer: only YOU can determine what fits you best!

More in-depth: Nikon's ergonomics had improved slowly since the original F, but larger leaps forward began with the F3, when Guigiaro Giorgetto was hired to do its exterior design. The F3 began to gain some organic curves which only intensified with the F4. That is not to say that the ergonomics of the F4 are necessarily better for you or me. People with smaller hands can find the F4's MB-20 grip too bulky (the MB-21 is a bit skinnier), while others find that they can't grip a bare F3 as securely as they would like without excessive fatigue. The point is, try each one out before deciding. We often get hung up too much on specs and the numbers game and forget that the interface between photographer and camera is more important. Especially with these cameras is that true. Very few of us are interested in these cameras for ultimate cutting-edge performance (although the F4 can give modern bodies a run for their money in many ways). We are in it for the feel of using a well-engineered and built machine that inspires us to take and make photographs.

Nikon F3 vs. F4 (14)


Buying & Usage Tips

For the F3:

  • Whether you plan to use the MD-4 motor drive or not, it is vitalto ensure that the black motor drive coupling cover is present on an F3 body. Without the cover, the camera is not light-tight and the film will be fogged unless it or the MD-4 is attached.If you are purchasing an F3 with the MD-4 attached, checkthatthe cover is in its storage pocket in the battery clip of the MD-4. It will save you the $20 needed to buy one separately if you intend to ever use the F3 without the MD-4.
  • Never detach the MD-4 mid-roll unless you want to lose a rolloffilm due to fogging :-).


For the F4:

  • The lightest and most compact configuration for an F4 is the MB-20 4-AA cell grip with lithium batteries. It comes in at 1150 grams. Contrary to many comments found online, lithium batteries are fine for use in the F4. Most of these comments arise from Nikon's initial stance against lithiums when they were first introduced in the early 1990's. After much testing by pros, such as Galen Rowell, Nikon changed its position in the mid-1990's. For a closer look at this evolution of policy see this article.
  • Try to purchase an F4 with a serial # from25xxxx and up. There were several small improvements made during production which were all implemented by the time the 25xxxx numbered bodies came along.


For both cameras:

  • Inspect the film rails and pressure plate carefully. They are good indicators of how much any camera has been used. There are so many bodies in both models available, that you can afford to be choosy. There should be no corrosion on the film rails. If there is a lot of finish wear (brightening or scratches) on the pressure plate, the camera has probably seen a lot of use, and you can find a lower-mileage one, with a little patience,for not much more or even the same cost.
  • The shutter curtains should be clean and free of debris. Watch for vertical fatigue cracks atthe edges of theF3's curtains.
  • All controls - dials, levers, switches, and buttons - should move freely and positively.
  • A little dust in a finder is no big deal, but beware of fungus, mold, or de-silvering of the prism (appears as black or grey patches or lines in the viewfinder)
  • As noted earlier, make sure of the good condition of the LCDs (be wary of bleeding &/or fading)
  • For all-arounduse, AA lithium batteries are the ticket in the MD-4 (F3) motor drive, and all of the F4 grips (MB-20, -21, -23). They give much better life than rechargeables or alkalines, don't leak, and have come down considerably in cost in the past couple years (you can finally buy them in bulk packs here in the Great White North:-)). They are also the best choice if you are using the cameras in cold-weather.

​​ Summary

At the outset the question was posed "What are your priorities?". Hopefully, this article has helped you to define your priorities clearly and get an idea about which of these two classics may be for you. The F3 certainly has less overall technical capability than the F4, but it offers plentyenoughcapability for many of us. With the benefits of far less weight in bare bones, manual-winding form, and an uncluttered viewfinder. In one word:simplicity.

​ However, if you are looking for the
ultimatein compatibility with more of the Nikon system than any other body, both manual and auto focus, the F4 is unparalleled. While the AF performance of the F4 is not cutting-edge, as befits a camera born in the infancy of that technology, it is definitely usable today if needed. However, the F4's manual focus capabilities are unmatched by any AF SLR produced before or since. Newer SLRs and DSLRs (aside from Nikon's Df) have sacrificed manual focus capability, especially with fast lenses, for focusing screens optimized for the smaller maximum apertures of zoom lenses. As of mid-2020, F4 values are sitting between $200 - $250 USD for excellent to near-mint examples while F3s are running $50 - $100 USD more for copies in equivalent condition, making price point more of a difference than when this article was originally written. With some patience you can dig up an excellent F3 for $300 USD.

There is no wrong choice. There is only a better choice for YOU. Both of these cameras have a plethora of accessories available, sometimes fairly inexpensively, to customize them to your photographic needs. They are both gorgeous examples of Nikon engineering at its best. And Giugiaro's styling wasn't too shabby, either :-). Enjoy!

References:

Nikon F4 User Manual @http://cdn-10.nikon-cdn.com/pdf/manuals/archive/F4- F4S.pdf
Nikon F3 User Manual @http://cdn-10.nikon-cdn.com/pdf/manuals/archive/F3.pdf
Nikon F3 @http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/photography.htm
Nikon F4 @http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/photography.htm
Debut of Nikon F3 @http://imaging.nikon.com/history/chronicle/history-f3/
Debut of Nikon F4 @http://imaging.nikon.com/history/chronicle/history- f4/index.htm

Vincent

12/12/2018 08:58:45 am

Top quality review, just what I was looking to obsorb. A technical review with no bias towards either or.

Thank you for putting this all together!

My final decision?
I picked up both in mint condition.
the F4 small grip or mb-20
The F3 with MD4

I simply need to try them side by side to know which one I will use most often. My application is street photography and landscapes.

May I ask, what system do you shoot with and why?

Thank you for your time and professional review.

Vincent

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C.J. Odenbach

12/12/2018 10:05:42 am

I am glad to hear that you found this article to be helpful, Vincent, and for taking the time to comment.

I think your approach of trying both is the way to go (when possible). There’s only so much that can be gleaned from a review. There is still no substitute for in-the-hand experience. And if you decide that you do favour one over the other, you will be able to recoup your costs fairly easily (values are creeping back up, especially for the F3).

Having used both, I eventually settled on the F3 with the MD-4. Landscapes are my main application, with a bit of portraiture thrown in. I hike a bit, so weight is a big factor for me. Being able to save nearly half a kilo with the bare F3 looms large, and I don’t need the speed or noise of the motor drive in that situation. I do, however, like having the drive for portraiture. So the extra versatility of the removable MD-4 is welcome. I can deal with the lower top shutter speed of the F3 in landscapes with Neutral Density filters, but that could be a deal-breaker for some. If I do need 1/8000 sec., I can turn to my F90x (N90s), which only weighs 50 grams more than my F3 (the F90x can be a very viable alternative to the F4, if you don’t object to the more modern user interface :-)). All of my manual focus Nikkors are primes (24/2.8, 28/3.5, 35/2.8, 50/1.8, 105/2.5, & 200/4), of which I usually carry only two or three. I have an AF 28-70/3.5-4.5 D for those few occasions where I can use the convenience of AF. It is a great bang for the buck if you would like a versatile AF lens for the F4 ($75 USD or a bit less, just make sure you get the “D” version at that price).

You might find the F3 more discreet or less intimidating (just being physically less imposing than the F4, along with the quiet of manual winding) for your subjects on the street, but I would say that your comfort level with the camera is more important. If you are at ease and comfortable with your equipment, you will be able to put more energy into relating to your subjects and building relationships with them, which is the essence of street photography, at least to me :-).

Some compromise will be inevitable, but I am sure that you will be happy with one or the other (or both ;-)), after giving them a thorough going-over. Keep us posted as to your decisions, as I am sure there will be others that will appreciate another perspective on this subject.

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Jeff

5/1/2019 11:23:18 am

I had read your article, Thanks for your sharing. Why all 55mm f/1.2 cannot be used in F4 body?

Jeff

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C.J. Odenbach

5/1/2019 12:20:41 pm

Hi Jeff,

Great question. To enable Program autoexposure with AI and AI-s lenses, the F4 (along with the FG, FA, FG-20, F-301/ N2000, and the F-501/N2020) has a lever in the bottom of the lens mount that engages a lug on the rear of AI and AI-s lenses. The rear element and mount of the 55/1.2 projects too far into these cameras and will hit this lever and cause damage. Nikon dropped this mechanical Program coupling with all bodies made from 1987 onward, except the F4, and utilized the electrical contacts of the CPU lenses for Program operation instead. That is why AI and AI-s lenses can only be used in aperture-priority or manual modes with newer Nikon bodies. Nikon was going for maximum lens compatibility with the F4 and so included both mechanical and electronic couplings for Program mode in the camera. Unfortunately, that did preclude the use of a few lenses, including the 55/1.2. I hope that helps and thanks for your comment.

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Jeff

5/2/2019 03:45:37 am

Thanks for the answer, I am making a decision on buying a Nikon film camera, F4 was my first pick but now it seems that is not suitable for me and I am still considering the Fm2 or F3, anyways thanks a lot!

Jeff

Vincent

7/25/2019 01:14:41 am

Excellent review!

Perhaps my advice may not work or be feasible for all. With this said, I have both for collection and shooting purposes. They are completely different cameras with the same mount as far as I see them.

I have the F4 with the small grip and a F3hp no drive as i like the light weight and manual lever. I wouldn't even consider the power winder for the F3 as it is a huge piece of equipment and larger than the F4s...also much slower fps and quite an odd looking and sharp edged brick.

My advice as a advanced collector/shooter...either model you choose for yourself, make sure to buy the cleanest body you can afford and have fun with it!

Nikon really is an amazing system!

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C.J. Odenbach

7/25/2019 11:23:08 am

Thank you for sharing your experience, Vincent. It serves to emphasize the importance of analyzing one’s personal circ*mstances and giving more weight to that than just getting something because it’s great for someone else, when choosing cameras or any other accessories, for that matter. Different strokes for different folks :-).

What motivated me to post this article in the first place was the initial conclusion some draw that since both the F3 and F4 are 1980s pro Nikon bodies and run at about the same price point nowadays (although F3 prices are going up a bit, as of 2019), how much difference could there really be between them? As you stated...a lot.

Which only makes sense when we consider that there were eight years of technological advancement between the two models, and arguably more of that advancement in that interval than in the previous two decades from the original F to the F2 to the F3. It’s actually pretty remarkable how Nikon was able to make such appreciable gains with each generation while keeping the F-persona intact for most professionals (who are not exactly renowned for their acceptance of change ;-)).

Glad to hear you are enjoying your collection of F-series and thanks again for taking the time to comment.

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Ben

12/9/2019 08:40:43 pm

Thanks for the review!

I got an F4 and am loving it!

I recently tried to buy a 28mm f/2.8 AI lens and surprisingly it did not want to mount to the F4 at all. Any thoughts on why that's the case?
I put the lens in and it got stuck. Thankfully theres a camera store just beside the corner and was able to help take it out. Shouldn't all AI lens suppose to work with the F4?

Thoughts?

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C.J. Odenbach

12/9/2019 09:27:48 pm

Hi Ben,

Glad to hear you are enjoying your F4. The 28/2.8 AI should mount without any difficulty on an F4. If you find that other lenses are mounting properly, I suspect that something has happened to the mounting flange of that particular lens. Either it has been tampered with or possibly someone has tried converting it to another type of mount at some point. If you still have the lens, feel free to email us using the Contact Us page and send some pictures of the flange on the lens and also your F4’s mount. Maybe we can figure out what’s going on :-).

Best regards

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Matthew Phelim Doran

5/13/2020 01:25:51 pm

First class review and excellent discussion.

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C.J. Odenbach

5/13/2020 02:22:19 pm

Thank you, Matthew. Glad you enjoyed the article.

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Richard

4/9/2021 10:33:15 am

Great review, thank you. One of my first jobs was working in a camera store in the early 90s. I remember holding an F4 for the first time and being blown away by it. It seemed so out of reach back then. Now I have the means to pick up some of those pro toys from that era I’m going to make my decision on the back of this great article.

Is the metering much more accurate with the F4 and the matrix over the F3s single metering option?

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C.J. Odenbach

4/9/2021 11:34:55 am

Glad you enjoyed the article, Richard. They certainly are more accessible now than 30 years ago :-).

Regarding the metering of the F4 vs. the F3, I would say that Matrix is not a huge deal, and certainly not on the order of the change with the 1005-pixel Matrix meter in the F5. The F4's Matrix was basically a warmed-over version of the AMP meter from the FA with the addition of mercury-sensors that enabled it to switch from horizontal to vertical format. the F4's Matrix is somewhat less-prone to being fooled than Nikon's traditional 60/40 centerweighted meter, but it's definitely not foolproof. I have had very consistent results with the F3's 80/20 and have never found myself in a situation where I felt that the F4 's Matrix would have been preferable. I hope that helps. Take care.

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Geoff

9/28/2021 10:52:29 am

Just found your site and found your brilliant and comprehensive review. I am currently waiting for a F3 HP to arrive (can’t wait) but now wondering if the standard F3 with standard finder would better as this has higher magnification. Is there much difference in practical terms. Many thanks.

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C.J. Odenbach

9/28/2021 11:40:08 am

Glad you enjoyed the article and congratulations on your acquisition of an F3HP, Geoff. I wouldn't sweat the 0.05x difference in magnification between it and the plain F3. More magnification does tend to aid in hitting focus, but there were probably 4 HPs sold for every standard F3 overall (and it was probably more like 9 out of 10 after the HP debuted in 1982) so the difference between the two is negligible when it comes to ease of focusing. If you wear eyeglasses or might in the future, the greater eye relief of the HP will be much more valuable than a small bump in magnification. The desirability, for most users, of the HP is reflected in the higher prices it generally commands in spite of the greater relative rarity of the plain F3 and its 60-gram weight savings. Best regards.

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3/2/2024 09:56:05 am

Hello C J !

Many thaks for your fantastic and full on data comparison.

Just bought my F4 from eBay. The lower film rail has a corrosion stain like which might be Zn pest ?
Question : can that scratch the film ?

Many thanx !

Vedran R. Glavina

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C.J. Odenbach

3/2/2024 10:38:36 am

Hello Vedran. Thanks for reaching out. The corrosion should have no effect on scratching the film as it contacts it outside the image area. Best regards.

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Nikon F3 vs. F4 (2024)

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What is the difference between Nikon F3 and F4? ›

The F4 has Program, Program High, Shutter-priority (these 3 are only usable with CPU-equipped lenses, either AF or chipped MF), Aperture-priority, and Manual modes. The F3 has two: Aperture-priority and Manual. Both shutters were top-of-the-line in their respective genres and were rated for 150,000 exposures.

Why buy a Nikon F3? ›

Long Battery Life — The F3's battery can last through approximately thirty rolls of film, and even if the battery fails, the F3 can still operate at a shutter speed of 1/60th. Stable Resale Value — Any variation of the F3 retains its value, ensuring that you can recoup your investment if you decide to sell it.

When was the Nikon F3 discontinued? ›

In 2001, it was announced that production of the Nikon F3 series was discontinued.

How is the build quality of Nikon F4? ›

Build Quality and Reliability

Build quality on the F4 is outstanding. Everything feels super solid and well made. One can clearly feel that Nikon did not take any shortcuts and wanted to bring the best possible experience to the user.

Is F4 aperture enough? ›

For many of us the f/4 lenses are the perfect compromise of quality, size, weight and price. They prove to be great for travel, landscape and a wide variety of general purpose work.

Is F4 good enough for portraits? ›

The best aperture for individual portraits is f/2 to f/2.8. If you're shooting two people, use f/4. For more than two people, shoot at f/5.6.

Why is Nikon discontinued? ›

Nikon's cameras have been losing out to smartphones, which increasingly feature powerful cameras. Nikon aims to beat them by offering products with more unique features. Since June 2020, when Nikon launched its flagship D6 SLR, no new SLR models have been released.

Will the Nikon F3 work without batteries? ›

When battery power fails, the F3's electromagnetically controlled shutter ceases to operate. You cannot release the shutter release button unless you use the backup mechanical release lever ®. To lock the shutter release button when the camera is not in use, turn the power switch to the "OFF" position.

Can you use Nikon F3 without batteries? ›

In short, without battery (ies) installed in the camera, you can take pictures with only two mechanical settings that do not require battery to operate, but with the power supply restored, it will be fully operational with all the automated features that are incorporate and designed into the camera body.

How much did the Nikon F3 cost? ›

Nikon F3
Overview
Type35mm SLR
ReleasedMarch 1980
Production1980-2001
Intro price$1,174.90 With 50mm Nikkor f/1.4 (1981)
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Is the Nikon F3 fully mechanical? ›

This camera is electronic, not mechanical, meaning the shutter is only fully operational with the use of batteries (though there is a single-speed mechanical override).

Is Nikon shutting down? ›

According to reports, Nikon will discontinue making DSLR cameras in order to produce better mirrorless camera models as rising competition via the smartphone industry has disrupted the camera market.

Is F4 enough for landscape photography? ›

So if you are shooting with a camera that has a 1” sensor, you could get everything in focus from front to back with an aperture of f4 whereas with a medium format camera, you might have to shoot at f16. This is great for beginners as aperture isn't so important to get everything in focus.

Is F4 good enough for astrophotography? ›

Camera settings

In general any camera with a lens that is capable of shooting wide at 14-24mm and as low as f2. 8-f4 will give you great results with the right settings.

Why do people prefer Nikon over Canon? ›

People that shoot film and digital or like more of a light and airy look tend to be Canon shooters and shooters that have a moodier feel or had more vibrant/contrasty colors tend to be Nikon users.

What does F4 mean on camera lens? ›

F4 is an f-stop. This is aperture or how open the lens is. It Affects the depth of field and the amount of light entering the lens/camera sensor. The wider the opening is, the more amount of light can enter resulting to brighter image.

What does the f stand for in Nikon F? ›

However, Nikon itself says the F is derived from the middle of the word Reflex, chosen because the letter R is pronounced differently around the world, but F remains largely the same. Celebrated graphic designer Yusaku Kamekura designed the body, deliberately drawing a contrast to other cameras of the day.

What does f mean in Nikon camera? ›

The “f” in f-stop stands for the focal length of the lens. While focal length itself refers to the field of view of a lens, f-stop is about how much light you allow to hit the sensor via the aperture opening.

How old is the Nikon F3? ›

The Nikon F3 was Nikon's third professional single-lens reflex camera body, preceded by the F and F2. Introduced in March 1980, it had manual and semi-automatic exposure control whereby the camera would select the correct shutter speed (aperture priority automation).

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